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In the wwf forum there is a thread that asks for comments on Vince Jr. A couple of posters brought up the fact that Crockett deserves as much blame for the death of the territories as Vince....
As I have been educated on this board, I have moved from thinking Vince was the angel of death for the territories, and have to agree that Jim Crockett has as much responsibility here as Vince.
- Gave up on Toronto, handing Vince his first major victory in expansion.
-Killed the UWF.
-Killed the Missouri and Florida territories after taking them over.
-Killed the NWA by consoldating the NWA World Title into a JCP title only.
Any other examples  ? Anybody want to defend Crockett?
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All nonsense.
The individual territories were the death of themselves along with a couple other factors that fall in line before Crockett and McMahon.
As for Crockett keeping the NWA title and advertising himself or being accepted as the NWA....
Who could stop him?
Who was going to stop him?
Would it of mattered?
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No it isn't nonsense, and you're just proving the point. It MAY have mattered if Crockett hadn't been such a greedy bonehead. Crockett was as bad or worse than Vinnie about buying up other territories' stars, and he monopolized the title defenses and cut the other promotors out. The ONLY chance to combat Vinnie would have been to keep EVERYBODY strong. He squandered the resources of the UWF which if used correctly in combination with his own might have, SHOULD have been enough to knock Vinnie's cartoon show out of the box. Who could or was gonna stop him? Nobody. He should have had sense enough to stop HIMSELF. He didn't. That'S WHY it's on him, and why you're proving the point..
So long from the Sunshine State!
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This message was edited by on May 02nd, 2007 00:48 GMT
Quoted from: Crimson Mask, May 01st, 2007 22:57 GMTNo it isn't nonsense, and you're just proving the point. It MAY have mattered if Crockett hadn't been such a greedy bonehead. Crockett was as bad or worse than Vinnie about buying up other territories' stars, and he monopolized the title defenses and cut the other promotors out. The ONLY chance to combat Vinnie would have been to keep EVERYBODY strong. He squandered the resources of the UWF which if used correctly in combination with his own might have, SHOULD have been enough to knock Vinnie's cartoon show out of the box. Who could or was gonna stop him? Nobody. He should have had sense enough to stop HIMSELF. He didn't. That'S WHY it's on him, and why you're proving the point..
So long from the Sunshine State!
The only part I disagree with was that they would have knocked Vince out of the box. Part of why Vince was so successful was that he mass marketed his product to kids and adults, men and women. Had Crocket kept the UWF strong in combination with his own territory they would have solidified a real stronghold down south and would have been more durable in the long run. But they were not gonna get the mommies, daddies, sons, and daughters buying tickets with the blood and guts pro wrestling we all enjoyed. Vince still would have had his piece of the pie and his version of pro wrestling would have been more readily accepted by the mass media.
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This message was edited by Crimson Mask on May 02nd, 2007 01:09 GMT
Didn't say 'would' have. Said 'might' and 'should' have. I still find it hard to believe that a good JCP/UWF hybrid wouldn't have made WWF look silly in direct comparison. Your point is good though. Hell, JCP as it was made WWF look silly and it didn't help.
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As soon as WCW fine tuned their product, the fans jumped in masses. This could have happened years earlier, had the golden NWA been more successful. To imply there was no way in hell this could have happened, is pure assinine.
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This message was edited by Iron Anderson on May 02nd, 2007 02:48 GMT
Quoted from: Crimson Mask, May 01st, 2007 22:57 GMTNo it isn't nonsense, and you're just proving the point. It MAY have mattered if Crockett hadn't been such a greedy bonehead. Crockett was as bad or worse than Vinnie about buying up other territories' stars, and he monopolized the title defenses and cut the other promotors out. The ONLY chance to combat Vinnie would have been to keep EVERYBODY strong. He squandered the resources of the UWF which if used correctly in combination with his own might have, SHOULD have been enough to knock Vinnie's cartoon show out of the box. Who could or was gonna stop him? Nobody. He should have had sense enough to stop HIMSELF. He didn't. That'S WHY it's on him, and why you're proving the point..
So long from the Sunshine State!
Crockett was a bonehead no doubt. Bonehead for not pulling out of the NWA and taking his coin and the talent it could afford long before Vince and his expansion. Bonehead for handing Toronto to Vince on a silver platter. Bonehead for buying the worthless UWF. And the UWF wasn't what it had been years prior. The talent Crockett purchased was half-a s s.
As far as Crockett monopolizing the title it began to show in 1986. Because prior to that Ric Flair was all over the place. As far as I could tell not to many territories heads were above water in 1986.
I don't think Crockett owed it to anybody by that point. Really the remaining NWA members could've had their title and it wouldn't have made a difference considering what talent they had to work with that wasn't under the Crockett or McMahon umbrella. It was 1986 when Flair began being heavily monopolized. No sooner then that. The remaining NWA territories had no chance in hell at that point. And why should Crockett send talents to other regions of the country that he could've ran himself. He risks spreading his own roster thin.
Crockett and McMahon weren't responsible for everyone else’s little kingdoms (monoply's) when they came tumbling down. And the owners or promoters of those outfits who may have said or implied they were just aren't taking personal responsibility. Which runs rampant in all walks of life.
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Quoted from: Iron Anderson, May 02nd, 2007 02:45 GMTQuoted from: Crimson Mask, May 01st, 2007 22:57 GMTNo it isn't nonsense, and you're just proving the point. It MAY have mattered if Crockett hadn't been such a greedy bonehead. Crockett was as bad or worse than Vinnie about buying up other territories' stars, and he monopolized the title defenses and cut the other promotors out. The ONLY chance to combat Vinnie would have been to keep EVERYBODY strong. He squandered the resources of the UWF which if used correctly in combination with his own might have, SHOULD have been enough to knock Vinnie's cartoon show out of the box. Who could or was gonna stop him? Nobody. He should have had sense enough to stop HIMSELF. He didn't. That'S WHY it's on him, and why you're proving the point..
So long from the Sunshine State! Crockett was a bonehead no doubt. Bonehead for not pulling out of the NWA and taking his coin and the talent it could afford long before Vince and his expansion. Bonehead for handing Toronto to Vince on a silver platter. Bonehead for buying the worthless UWF. And the UWF wasn't what it had been years prior. The talent Crockett purchased was half-a s s. As far as Crockett monopolizing the title it began to show in 1986. Because prior to that Ric Flair was all over the place. As far as I could tell not to many territories heads were above water in 1986. I don't think Crockett owed it to anybody by that point. Really the remaining NWA members could've had their title and it wouldn't have made a difference considering what talent they had to work with that wasn't under the Crockett or McMahon umbrella. It was 1986 when Flair began being heavily monopolized. No sooner then that. The remaining NWA territories had no chance in hell at that point. And why should Crockett send talents to other regions of the country that he could've ran himself. He risks spreading his own roster thin. Crockett and McMahon weren't responsible for everyone else’s little kingdoms (monoply's) when they came tumbling down. And the owners or promoters of those outfits who may have said or implied they were just aren't taking personal responsibility. Which runs rampant in all walks of life.
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Quoted from: Crimson Mask, May 02nd, 2007 12:56 GMTQuoted from: Iron Anderson, May 02nd, 2007 03:22 GMTIt's the truth.  No it isn't. Crockett and McMahon made a concerted effort to acquire, squeeze out or shut down the other promotions. How were they supposed to have any CHANGE to survive when one or the other picked off any star they might have created? Crockett screwed his fellow NWA members. He was the friggin' PRESIDENT. At least Vinnie was upfront about what he was trying to do.
That should be 'CHANCE to survive'.
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