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PLEASE DO NOT READ THIS POST IF you are planning on reading the book but have not yet.  

This is a post for those who read it and want to talk about it.  

I finished the book earlier this week. It was extremely well written. I don't think anything was missed. The hardest part I had was trying to line it up with when I started seeing the Sheik live.  

I thought there was some similarities to Dick the Bruiser. Had his own territory as he got popular. DTB was much better with his money. Plus flawed as a human just like the Sheik.  

It was interesting to see the business that Sheik lived and protected his whole life turned around and screwed him in the end. It was certainly a business that was “Keep your friends and family close and your enemies closer”  

When I started reading the book I thought the Eddie Jr. quotes were a waste. Because he is going to be loyal to his father completely. But after reading them I am glad they were included.  

Curious to hear from those who read it and get there take.  


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My book should be arriving Today from Amazon. Looking Forward to it.
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   I learned a lot about The Sheik from this book that I didn't know before, not just his career in the ring, but his personal life.  I don't think it's anything shocking, but you can see how his life influenced his business and the other way around.  I got a great sense from this book about how permeated his life was from this business.  Much more than I expected.  I also never knew he probably could actually wrestle.  One thing that always stuck in my mind as a fan was noticing how short his matches were.  I never realized the time span of these short matches, but it reminds me of watching The Crusher in Milwaukee, where a lot of his later matches were 3 to 7 minutes.  I took a couple years of those but eventually it hurt his drawing power just like The Sheik's in Detroit.










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Greetings All,

I'm glad someone started a thread for those who have read the book; I've been looking forward to sharing some thoughts. I had heard that Sheik burnt many bridges over the years, but I was surprised how badly his relationships with other promoters had been destroyed. There had been whispers in other forums about the marriage problems, but I never remember anyone mentioning a drug problem before. When Big Time Wrestling needed Sheik's full attention, the gambling and drug problems couldn't have come at a worse time (not there's ever a good time for addictions). Other workers have protected their ring persona before, but Sheik is the only one it seems to have done it to his detriment.  

Sheik's not the first, nor will he be the last person who couldn't change with the times. The personality and drive that made him the greatest heel in pro wrestling history made it impossible for him to change his way of thinking.

I wondered why, during the 1980s, Shiek couldn't have the career that Abdullah the Burcher did at the time. I'm sitting here watching a video of Championship Wrestling of Florida (CWF) from 1985 with Abdullah working on top with Wahoo McDaniel and Dusty Rhodes. Abdullah worked a major program on top with Sting during the late 1980's. But Abduallh put Dusty over in Florida and Sting over in WCW. I now understand Sheik never would have done the job, no matter how much sense it might have made.  

To me, the book paints a complete picture of the man and it makes his achievements that much more admirable. There is something noble about a man who lives his life on his terms and Sheik certainly did that. There is a cautionary note in Sheik's story as well, about controlling your excesses and accepting that change comes rather we like it or not.  

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Quoted from: horhna, May 30th, 2022 22:31  GMT
Greetings All,

I'm glad someone started a thread for those who have read the book; I've been looking forward to sharing some thoughts. I had heard that Sheik burnt many bridges over the years, but I was surprised how badly his relationships with other promoters had been destroyed. There had been whispers in other forums about the marriage problems, but I never remember anyone mentioning a drug problem before. When Big Time Wrestling needed Sheik's full attention, the gambling and drug problems couldn't have come at a worse time (not there's ever a good time for addictions). Other workers have protected their ring persona before, but Sheik is the only one it seems to have done it to his detriment.  

Sheik's not the first, nor will he be the last person who couldn't change with the times. The personality and drive that made him the greatest heel in pro wrestling history made it impossible for him to change his way of thinking.

I wondered why, during the 1980s, Shiek couldn't have the career that Abdullah the Burcher did at the time. I'm sitting here watching a video of Championship Wrestling of Florida (CWF) from 1985 with Abdullah working on top with Wahoo McDaniel and Dusty Rhodes. Abdullah worked a major program on top with Sting during the late 1980's. But Abduallh put Dusty over in Florida and Sting over in WCW. I now understand Sheik never would have done the job, no matter how much sense it might have made.  

To me, the book paints a complete picture of the man and it makes his achievements that much more admirable. There is something noble about a man who lives his life on his terms and Sheik certainly did that. There is a cautionary note in Sheik's story as well, about controlling your excesses and accepting that change comes rather we like it or not.  

Thanks
Thanks for the post. Do think the Sheik could have changed? He reminds me of DTB who lasted to long. But in regards to the Sheik he did not know anything else.  I know DTB invested in real estate and toward the end lived in Florida part of the year. It just seemed like Sheik was "The Sheik" his entire life and wrestling was all he knew how to do.  He had to have known sooner or later that would end.  


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horhna June 01st, 2022 01:34 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: timtass, May 31st, 2022 01:35  GMT

Quoted from: horhna, May 30th, 2022 22:31  GMT
Greetings All,

I'm glad someone started a thread for those who have read the book; I've been looking forward to sharing some thoughts. I had heard that Sheik burnt many bridges over the years, but I was surprised how badly his relationships with other promoters had been destroyed. There had been whispers in other forums about the marriage problems, but I never remember anyone mentioning a drug problem before. When Big Time Wrestling needed Sheik's full attention, the gambling and drug problems couldn't have come at a worse time (not there's ever a good time for addictions). Other workers have protected their ring persona before, but Sheik is the only one it seems to have done it to his detriment.  

Sheik's not the first, nor will he be the last person who couldn't change with the times. The personality and drive that made him the greatest heel in pro wrestling history made it impossible for him to change his way of thinking.

I wondered why, during the 1980s, Shiek couldn't have the career that Abdullah the Burcher did at the time. I'm sitting here watching a video of Championship Wrestling of Florida (CWF) from 1985 with Abdullah working on top with Wahoo McDaniel and Dusty Rhodes. Abdullah worked a significant program on top with Sting during the late 1980s. But Abdullah put Dusty over in Florida and Sting over in WCW. I now understand Sheik would never have done the job, no matter how much sense it might have made.  

The book paints a complete picture of the man and makes his achievements that much more admirable. There is something noble about a man who lives on his terms and Sheik certainly did that. There is a cautionary note in Sheik's story about controlling your excesses and accepting that change comes whether we like it or not.  

Thanks
Thanks for the post. Do you think the Sheik could have changed? He reminds me of DTB, who lasted too long. But in regards to the Sheik, he did not know anything else. I know DTB invested in real estate and toward the end lived in Florida part of the year. It just seemed like Sheik was "The Sheik" his entire life, and wrestling was all he knew how to do. He had to have known sooner or later that would end.


I think you make a good observation. William Afflis understood, it seems, that Dick the Bruiser was a character he played, but it wasn't William Afflis. He was as protective of Dick the Bruiser as Ed Farhat was of the Sheik, But he doesn't appear to have had Farhat's vices either. Admittedly, Afflis came from money and maybe that made it easier for him to have lived modestly even at the height of his fame.  

What made Ed Farhat great, the drive and personality, probably would have made it hard for him to change. In Dave Meltzer's Tributes II book, I remember reading about Sheik's gambling habits and people warning him that business wasn't always going to be so good. I think your right, Sheik didn't know anything else. But he was so determined to play by his own rules he missed opportunities to stay in the game at a high level. From my perceptive, why would he blow a chance for a WCW run and a feud with Dusty Rhodes and Dick Murdoch? It had probably been ten years since Sheik saw a thousand-dollar payout from wrestling. I don't understand why he declined an opportunity to hold the WWWF title, even if it was only for eight days, just because you didn't want to put Sammartino over in New York? There's bad decisions and then there's bad decisions and Sheik made his share. But then haven't we all.  

DTB kept going because he wanted too, but he was careful with his money and when he did hang up the tights, he was in good shape financially. Sheik kept going because he wanted too but also because he needed to as well.  

There's a lot to admire about Ed Farhat but his story is very much a cautionary tale as well.
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I am currently read the book.  Have not got to the drug problems.  I remember helping to sit up the ring for SMW for a fund raiser.  The guy driving the truck with the ring was telling stories.  He mentioned Sabu with all his scars on his chest.  He said while Sabu was with the Sheik in Japan, the Sheik was all coked up and began to cut Sabu. This was during a barbwire match.  He said the Sheik was out of control and was bad that Sabu wasn't bleeding enough.  Just a story maybe.
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      Horna, to your point...it was just a follow up to the big gate the Sheik drew in Detroit.  It wasn't like they were offering him a full time gig.  The Sheik had his price and even if he priced himself out, he did know that he was worth something.
       The book to me is arguably the best wrestling book I've ever read.  Probably the best wrestling bio I've ever read.  
        Brian did a very good job covering the Sheik's story from different perspectives.  I truly liked how he told how the entire NWA was coming to pieces in the late 70's/early 80's at the same time Sheik's promotion was having so much difficulty.
         It's great that someone (Brian Solomon) took the time to really restore the Sheik's place in history as one of the All Time Great Heels and acknowledge his overall importance to the business.
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Quoted from: Stephen Gennarelli, June 04th, 2022 13:26  GMT
      Horna, to your point...it was just a follow up to the big gate the Sheik drew in Detroit.  It wasn't like they were offering him a full time gig.  The Sheik had his price and even if he priced himself out, he did know that he was worth something.
       The book to me is arguably the best wrestling book I've ever read.  Probably the best wrestling bio I've ever read.  
        Brian did a very good job covering the Sheik's story from different perspectives.  I truly liked how he told how the entire NWA was coming to pieces in the late 70's/early 80's at the same time Sheik's promotion was having so much difficulty.
         It's great that someone (Brian Solomon) took the time to really restore the Sheik's place in history as one of the All Time Great Heels and acknowledge his overall importance to the business.


I'm a firm believer in people being paid what they're worth. But I think that the American Bash matches with Rhodes, Murdoch, and Sullivan were in either 1986 or 1988, meaning Sheik was either 60 or 62 and hadn't really been a draw in Detroit since the mid-1970s. The point I was trying to make (clearly not very well) is that the American Bash matches could have been an opportunity to rebuild his brand and have a final run on a national stage. It seems like Kevin Sullivan, JJ Dillion, and Dusty Rhodes threw him a lifeline when he needed it. It might not have been the money he wanted, and it might not have been what he deserved but it could have been an opportunity to get back on a national stage, at least in the Detroit area. If nothing else, that exposure could have helped his indy shows if nothing else. Humble pie never tastes very good, but we've all had to swallow our share at some point. It's the big picture that matters, taking less money for the opportunity to be involved in a high profile run with three top guys (two of which were clearly booking WCW at the time) was too good of an opportunity to pass up over money that probably wasn't what you were worth, but probably more than you have made in a while.  

Sheik is the greatest heel in professional wrestling ever !!! Somone like Gorgeous George might have been bigger for a couple or three years but no one had Sheik's longevity or influence on the business in both the US and Japan. Blood and Fire is a great book and I think it does justice to Ed Farhat, wrestler, promoter, and family man. But like all great books of great men... it's a cautionary tale as well.
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       They were in '88 and JCP and especially the Dusty era of WCW was rapidly coming to a close.  
        I do remember them talking about the upcoming card on TBS but they never showed the Sheik, I thought that would have been a wise move.  
        Vince would have promoted the match right.
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Quoted from: Stephen Gennarelli, June 04th, 2022 17:34  GMT
         
        Vince would have promoted the match right.


Vince would have called him the Old Grey Goose and teamed him with the Red Rooster. They would have lost to teams like the Young Stallions and the Conquistadors. He would have been the oldest clown in the clown car in the 3 Ring Circus.

There was no way that the Sheik would let Ringmaster Vinny tarnish his name and reputation at that point in his career. Sheik did it the Frank Sinatra way. He should be admired and honored for the way his career ended.
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Just finished the Blood and Fire book and must commend Brian Solomon on a job well done. The Sheik wrestled on the first card I attended live at the old MSG dispatching Louie Cerdan, in March of 67'.. Last time  was when Goodhart brought Abby and him to Philly at the Convention Center Annex almost 25 years later.I never knew the Sheik appeared at an Arrezi autograph show ,I so regret missing that and never attending a Cobo event though I did get to wander it,'s Halls adorned with it's Michigan HOF plaques sadly not one for the Sheik. My only wish is that Brian went in further regarding the Sammartino /Sheik matches and backstory...This book will serve as a reference book not only about the man  ,the industry,the history for years to come. Highly recommend it!
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Couple more observations,though he was a decade older ,my attention was drawn  to the similarities  between Danny Thomas and the Sheik. Both were sons of Lebanese immigrants ,Michigan born ,from large families,shared the same faith .Both were driven and rose to the top and forever changed their industries.Danny's acting and as founder of St Jude's and the impact on wrestling the Sheik made . Also a  small highlight for me was seeing that Bull Ortega,two years after getting a MSG shot against Bruno, getting two main events at the Cobo against the Sheik,still viable and not forgotten.
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Quoted from: SciclunaSloan, June 13th, 2022 14:11  GMT
Couple more observations,though he was a decade older ,my attention was drawn  to the similarities  between Danny Thomas and the Sheik. Both were sons of Lebanese immigrants ,Michigan born ,from large families,shared the same faith .Both were driven and rose to the top and forever changed their industries.Danny's acting and as founder of St Jude's and the impact on wrestling the Sheik made . Also a  small highlight for me was seeing that Bull Ortega,two years after getting a MSG shot against Bruno, getting two main events at the Cobo against the Sheik,still viable and not forgotten.
Wow very interesting comparison SciclunaSloan.  The guys who worked for Sheik sure appeared to be loyal. That is one of the things I noticed the loyalty in the business back then. Seems like complete opposite nowadays.


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Excellent Book. About Half Way Thru.
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