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This message was edited by louie.d on April 24th, 2024 22:52 GMT
Quoted from: 2OldScorpio, April 24th, 2024 22:27 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 19:11 GMT
Now the Bushwackers. They morphed from an edgy heel team (The Sheepherders, which apparently most of you were to young to remember) to another circus act in the Bollea/Jr acknowledged kiddy show. They clearly were "over" and made more money than they ever did before. Yet look at the comments bashing them as basically being an embarrassing cartoon.
What about the Bollea/Jr Circus wasn't embarrassing? Dusty in polka dots? A great technician such as DiBiasi becoming the "Million Dollar Man?" Red Rooster? Great collegian Rotunda becoming IRS? Are you going to tell me Bollea's "what you gonna do when the pythons grab you brutha" ending with the idiotic leg drop wasn't an embarrassment compared to men presented as champs such as Thesz, Funk Jr, Bruno, Kiniski, Baclund, etc? It was all embarrassing - but succesful. So be it - it sold successfully to a different audience. Biut the whole thing was an embarrassment. Why pick on the Bushwackers? They certainly were "over." They "popped."
You keep using the word "embarrassment".....embarrassing to whom?
Just read through this thread -- on the first page alone
"I thought they sucked...an utterly embarrassing gimmick"
""ended the booking of the midgets...the official comedy act of the federation"
"hated the comedic Bushwackers"
"they were embarrasing"
I didn't bother reading again past the first page but these quotes should give the gist of so many opinions. I am sure there are more I could quote on pages two through four.
The whole show was a comedy act. The Bushwackers were just others made to be clowns in a four squared circle full of them.
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Quoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 22:51 GMTQuoted from: 2OldScorpio, April 24th, 2024 22:27 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 19:11 GMT
Now the Bushwackers. They morphed from an edgy heel team (The Sheepherders, which apparently most of you were to young to remember) to another circus act in the Bollea/Jr acknowledged kiddy show. They clearly were "over" and made more money than they ever did before. Yet look at the comments bashing them as basically being an embarrassing cartoon.
What about the Bollea/Jr Circus wasn't embarrassing? Dusty in polka dots? A great technician such as DiBiasi becoming the "Million Dollar Man?" Red Rooster? Great collegian Rotunda becoming IRS? Are you going to tell me Bollea's "what you gonna do when the pythons grab you brutha" ending with the idiotic leg drop wasn't an embarrassment compared to men presented as champs such as Thesz, Funk Jr, Bruno, Kiniski, Baclund, etc? It was all embarrassing - but succesful. So be it - it sold successfully to a different audience. Biut the whole thing was an embarrassment. Why pick on the Bushwackers? They certainly were "over." They "popped."
You keep using the word "embarrassment".....embarrassing to whom?
Just read through this thread -- on the first page alone
"I thought they sucked...an utterly embarrassing gimmick"
""ended the booking of the midgets...the official comedy act of the federation"
"hated the comedic Bushwackers"
"they were embarrasing"
I didn't bother reading again past the first page but these quotes should give the gist of so many opinions. I am sure there are more I could quote on pages two through four.
The whole show was a comedy act. The Bushwackers were just others made to be clowns in a four squared circle full of them.
I know what was posted before, I'm trying to get your opinion or the opinion of other as to who would be embarrassed?
Luke Williams & Butch Miller? From what I've seen in shoot interview through the years, allowing they are being at least half-way truthful in what they were saying, I don't ever remember them being embarrassed.
The Fans?
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Quoted from: 2OldScorpio, April 25th, 2024 00:58 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 22:51 GMTQuoted from: 2OldScorpio, April 24th, 2024 22:27 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 19:11 GMT
Now the Bushwackers. They morphed from an edgy heel team (The Sheepherders, which apparently most of you were to young to remember) to another circus act in the Bollea/Jr acknowledged kiddy show. They clearly were "over" and made more money than they ever did before. Yet look at the comments bashing them as basically being an embarrassing cartoon.
What about the Bollea/Jr Circus wasn't embarrassing? Dusty in polka dots? A great technician such as DiBiasi becoming the "Million Dollar Man?" Red Rooster? Great collegian Rotunda becoming IRS? Are you going to tell me Bollea's "what you gonna do when the pythons grab you brutha" ending with the idiotic leg drop wasn't an embarrassment compared to men presented as champs such as Thesz, Funk Jr, Bruno, Kiniski, Baclund, etc? It was all embarrassing - but succesful. So be it - it sold successfully to a different audience. Biut the whole thing was an embarrassment. Why pick on the Bushwackers? They certainly were "over." They "popped."
You keep using the word "embarrassment".....embarrassing to whom?
Just read through this thread -- on the first page alone
"I thought they sucked...an utterly embarrassing gimmick"
""ended the booking of the midgets...the official comedy act of the federation"
"hated the comedic Bushwackers"
"they were embarrasing"
I didn't bother reading again past the first page but these quotes should give the gist of so many opinions. I am sure there are more I could quote on pages two through four.
The whole show was a comedy act. The Bushwackers were just others made to be clowns in a four squared circle full of them.
I know what was posted before, I'm trying to get your opinion or the opinion of other as to who would be embarrassed?
Luke Williams & Butch Miller? From what I've seen in shoot interview through the years, allowing they are being at least half-way truthful in what they were saying, I don't ever remember them being embarrassed.
The Fans?
I always thought a good litmus test as to whether an Act was embarrassing in professional wrestling is if you, as a fan, were watching wrestling and a non-fan came into the room would you be embarrassed they watched a bit with you and The Bushwackers came on? If yes, I think this would mean that The Bushwackers were embarrassing. Would you be embarrassed if Bob Backlund and Bob Orton were on and putting on a wrestling Clinic?. It's definitely subjective, but I always thought this was a good illustration...
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Quoted from: 2OldScorpio, April 25th, 2024 00:58 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 22:51 GMTQuoted from: 2OldScorpio, April 24th, 2024 22:27 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 19:11 GMT
Now the Bushwackers. They morphed from an edgy heel team (The Sheepherders, which apparently most of you were to young to remember) to another circus act in the Bollea/Jr acknowledged kiddy show. They clearly were "over" and made more money than they ever did before. Yet look at the comments bashing them as basically being an embarrassing cartoon.
What about the Bollea/Jr Circus wasn't embarrassing? Dusty in polka dots? A great technician such as DiBiasi becoming the "Million Dollar Man?" Red Rooster? Great collegian Rotunda becoming IRS? Are you going to tell me Bollea's "what you gonna do when the pythons grab you brutha" ending with the idiotic leg drop wasn't an embarrassment compared to men presented as champs such as Thesz, Funk Jr, Bruno, Kiniski, Baclund, etc? It was all embarrassing - but succesful. So be it - it sold successfully to a different audience. Biut the whole thing was an embarrassment. Why pick on the Bushwackers? They certainly were "over." They "popped."
You keep using the word "embarrassment".....embarrassing to whom?
Just read through this thread -- on the first page alone
"I thought they sucked...an utterly embarrassing gimmick"
""ended the booking of the midgets...the official comedy act of the federation"
"hated the comedic Bushwackers"
"they were embarrasing"
I didn't bother reading again past the first page but these quotes should give the gist of so many opinions. I am sure there are more I could quote on pages two through four.
The whole show was a comedy act. The Bushwackers were just others made to be clowns in a four squared circle full of them.
I know what was posted before, I'm trying to get your opinion or the opinion of other as to who would be embarrassed?
Luke Williams & Butch Miller? From what I've seen in shoot interview through the years, allowing they are being at least half-way truthful in what they were saying, I don't ever remember them being embarrassed.
The Fans?
It made me embarrassed to be a viewer.
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This message was edited by Pouchkine on April 25th, 2024 16:08 GMT
Quoted from: Eater of the Dead, April 25th, 2024 01:08 GMTQuoted from: 2OldScorpio, April 25th, 2024 00:58 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 22:51 GMTQuoted from: 2OldScorpio, April 24th, 2024 22:27 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 19:11 GMT
Now the Bushwackers. They morphed from an edgy heel team (The Sheepherders, which apparently most of you were to young to remember) to another circus act in the Bollea/Jr acknowledged kiddy show. They clearly were "over" and made more money than they ever did before. Yet look at the comments bashing them as basically being an embarrassing cartoon.
What about the Bollea/Jr Circus wasn't embarrassing? Dusty in polka dots? A great technician such as DiBiasi becoming the "Million Dollar Man?" Red Rooster? Great collegian Rotunda becoming IRS? Are you going to tell me Bollea's "what you gonna do when the pythons grab you brutha" ending with the idiotic leg drop wasn't an embarrassment compared to men presented as champs such as Thesz, Funk Jr, Bruno, Kiniski, Baclund, etc? It was all embarrassing - but succesful. So be it - it sold successfully to a different audience. Biut the whole thing was an embarrassment. Why pick on the Bushwackers? They certainly were "over." They "popped."
You keep using the word "embarrassment".....embarrassing to whom?
Just read through this thread -- on the first page alone
"I thought they sucked...an utterly embarrassing gimmick"
""ended the booking of the midgets...the official comedy act of the federation"
"hated the comedic Bushwackers"
"they were embarrasing"
I didn't bother reading again past the first page but these quotes should give the gist of so many opinions. I am sure there are more I could quote on pages two through four.
The whole show was a comedy act. The Bushwackers were just others made to be clowns in a four squared circle full of them.
I know what was posted before, I'm trying to get your opinion or the opinion of other as to who would be embarrassed?
Luke Williams & Butch Miller? From what I've seen in shoot interview through the years, allowing they are being at least half-way truthful in what they were saying, I don't ever remember them being embarrassed.
The Fans?
I always thought a good litmus test as to whether an Act was embarrassing in professional wrestling is if you, as a fan, were watching wrestling and a non-fan came into the room would you be embarrassed they watched a bit with you and The Bushwackers came on? If yes, I think this would mean that The Bushwackers were embarrassing. Would you be embarrassed if Bob Backlund and Bob Orton were on and putting on a wrestling Clinic?. It's definitely subjective, but I always thought this was a good illustration...
Excellent way to look at it.
For that particular era The Bushwhackers and The Red Rooster would fail the test for me!
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Quoted from: Sonnyr555, April 23rd, 2024 15:52 GMTBugsy McGraw who I thought at some point would show up in WWF with his Loony Toon gimmick which was custom or tailor made for WWF.
Bugsy was very over as a face doing a Curly Howard type gimmick.
I agree Sonny. I thought that Bugsy McGraw and "Boogie Woogie Man" Jimmy Valiant were tailor made for this era of the WWF and surrpized that Vince never brought them on board.
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Quoted from: Eater of the Dead, April 25th, 2024 01:08 GMTQuoted from: 2OldScorpio, April 25th, 2024 00:58 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 22:51 GMTQuoted from: 2OldScorpio, April 24th, 2024 22:27 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, April 24th, 2024 19:11 GMT
Now the Bushwackers. They morphed from an edgy heel team (The Sheepherders, which apparently most of you were to young to remember) to another circus act in the Bollea/Jr acknowledged kiddy show. They clearly were "over" and made more money than they ever did before. Yet look at the comments bashing them as basically being an embarrassing cartoon.
What about the Bollea/Jr Circus wasn't embarrassing? Dusty in polka dots? A great technician such as DiBiasi becoming the "Million Dollar Man?" Red Rooster? Great collegian Rotunda becoming IRS? Are you going to tell me Bollea's "what you gonna do when the pythons grab you brutha" ending with the idiotic leg drop wasn't an embarrassment compared to men presented as champs such as Thesz, Funk Jr, Bruno, Kiniski, Baclund, etc? It was all embarrassing - but succesful. So be it - it sold successfully to a different audience. Biut the whole thing was an embarrassment. Why pick on the Bushwackers? They certainly were "over." They "popped."
You keep using the word "embarrassment".....embarrassing to whom?
Just read through this thread -- on the first page alone
"I thought they sucked...an utterly embarrassing gimmick"
""ended the booking of the midgets...the official comedy act of the federation"
"hated the comedic Bushwackers"
"they were embarrasing"
I didn't bother reading again past the first page but these quotes should give the gist of so many opinions. I am sure there are more I could quote on pages two through four.
The whole show was a comedy act. The Bushwackers were just others made to be clowns in a four squared circle full of them.
I know what was posted before, I'm trying to get your opinion or the opinion of other as to who would be embarrassed?
Luke Williams & Butch Miller? From what I've seen in shoot interview through the years, allowing they are being at least half-way truthful in what they were saying, I don't ever remember them being embarrassed.
The Fans?
I always thought a good litmus test as to whether an Act was embarrassing in professional wrestling is if you, as a fan, were watching wrestling and a non-fan came into the room would you be embarrassed they watched a bit with you and The Bushwackers came on? If yes, I think this would mean that The Bushwackers were embarrassing. Would you be embarrassed if Bob Backlund and Bob Orton were on and putting on a wrestling Clinic?. It's definitely subjective, but I always thought this was a good illustration...
I would agree with this as a test standard.
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Bugsy McGraw and Jimmy Valiant did team together in JCP in the 80s.
Thoughts on Bushwhackers manager Jamison?
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Bugsy was far from one of my favorites but I actually really liked him as sort of a Dusty Rhodes-but-more-childlike interview. I'd prefer if he could have wrestled a lick but the promos were captivating.
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I didn't like the Bushwhackers at the time, but I thought maybe they were getting too old & beat up to do much more. I guess I was right, so more power to them for making some good money before the retired. Besides IMO they were no worse than Big Josh PN News, Van Hammer, George Ringo the wrestling Beatle, Ivan Putski bringing kids toys into the ring, Bugsy McGraw's later matches, "midget" matches, Ultimate Warrior interviews, Ric Flair making out with a mannequin & let's not get started on Memphis. Give the guys a break.
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The Bushwhackers were over and sold tickets. So we're the Bushwhackers gimmick embarrassing or were the wrestling fans watching the Bushwhackers embarrassing? Or maybe it was just a little fun at the matches.
VJM was catering to children as part of the expansion and fan base.
Backlund vs Orton wrestling classic wouldn't have kids nagging their parents to to the matches or to buy a Bob Backlund Hasbro doll.
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Vince could have had Belleville's , IL. own " Ding Dongs " from WCW to work a program with The Whackers or The Workers who did The Village People gimmick. Firebreaker Chip, and the rest of that troupe.
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Quoted from: Spoiler, April 26th, 2024 11:03 GMTThe Bushwhackers were over and sold tickets. So we're the Bushwhackers gimmick embarrassing or were the wrestling fans watching the Bushwhackers embarrassing? Or maybe it was just a little fun at the matches.
VJM was catering to children as part of the expansion and fan base.
Backlund vs Orton wrestling classic wouldn't have kids nagging their parents to to the matches or to buy a Bob Backlund Hasbro doll.
Did the Bushwhackers really sell tickets? How many shows did they main event? How many hot feuds did they have?
In terms of selling toys and tickets, Hogan was infinitely cooler than either of them. Even if you say that's not a fair comparison because Hogan blew everyone else away, I would much quicker buy a ticket to see a Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, Jake Roberts, or (yes) Ultimate Warrior main event, preferably over a personal issue, rather than the 'whackers.
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Quoted from: PeteF3, April 26th, 2024 14:48 GMTQuoted from: Spoiler, April 26th, 2024 11:03 GMTThe Bushwhackers were over and sold tickets. So we're the Bushwhackers gimmick embarrassing or were the wrestling fans watching the Bushwhackers embarrassing? Or maybe it was just a little fun at the matches.
VJM was catering to children as part of the expansion and fan base.
Backlund vs Orton wrestling classic wouldn't have kids nagging their parents to to the matches or to buy a Bob Backlund Hasbro doll.
Did the Bushwhackers really sell tickets? How many shows did they main event? How many hot feuds did they have?
In terms of selling toys and tickets, Hogan was infinitely cooler than either of them. Even if you say that's not a fair comparison because Hogan blew everyone else away, I would much quicker buy a ticket to see a Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, Jake Roberts, or (yes) Ultimate Warrior main event, preferably over a personal issue, rather than the 'whackers.
Got to agree that even though kids might have got a kick out of the them, I don't think kids or their parents bought tickets to see the bushwhackers
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