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gcbowman October 21st, 2022 01:09 GMT Print this post
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I remember that Brian Adias--Mike von Erich match that was Adias's heel turn.

Was that Mike von Erich's only clean pinfall loss?


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The Avenger October 21st, 2022 01:18 GMT Print this post
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This message was edited by The Avenger on October 21st, 2022 01:18 GMT

Well, looking at cagematch.net, I can say he was defeated by pinfall against Buddy Roberts and Gino Hernandez in Israel.  There are others listed.  I did see him teaming with David and losing to The Freebirds.  Most likely, it was Mike taking the pin.  

Then again, I guess it depends on what you'd consider "clean".  I'm sure there were cheating tactics used on occasion in his defeats by pin.
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Zavulon October 21st, 2022 03:45 GMT Print this post
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Gino beat him at Star Wars in 84 for the American Heavyweight belt.  

I could see that being a clean pinfall, even if there's probability that Gino cheated.
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glaz October 21st, 2022 03:57 GMT Print this post
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Unless the match is a total squash, the heels always cheat at some point to gain an advantage. It's part of being a heel. Come think of it, even in squashes, the heel will often attack his opponent as he's going back to his corner. That in itself is cheating.
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The criteria for something being considered a clean pin would be an interesting topic in itself. We all likely agree that grabbing a handful of trunks or having your feet on the ropes during the pin would not be a clean pin. But what about hitting your opponent with brass knuckles, and throwing the nucks out of the ring and then pinning your opponent? The pin itself is clean, but you cheated to get to that point. Would it depend on how many transitional moves or time has passed since the cheating incident? Interesting question...
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Mike losses

12/29/83 Corpus Christi
Terry Gordy/Buddy Roberts beat David Von Erich/Mike Von Erich

7/4/84 Fort Worth (Tarrant County Convention Center, att. 12,721)
Michael Hayes/Terry Gordy/Buddy Roberts beat Kevin Von Erich/Kerry Von Erich/Mike Von Erich in Badstreet match to win held-up Six-Man Tag titles (later held up again due to interference by Killer Khan)

9/3/84 Fort Worth (Tarrant County Convention Center, att. 9,000)
Gino Hernandez beat Mike Von Erich to win American Heavyweight title

9/12/84 Lawton, OK
Gino Hernandez beat Mike Von Erich

10/27/84 Dallas (Cotton Bowl, att. 12,000)
Chris Adams/Jake Roberts/Gino Hernandez beat Kerry Von Erich/Mike Von Erich/Bobby Fulton (sub for injured Kevin Von Erich) to win Six-Man Tag titles

12/16/84 San Antonio
Chris Adams/Gino Hernandez/Jake Roberts beat Kevin Von Erich/Kerry Von Erich/Mike Von Erich

2/16/85 Seagoville
Rip Oliver beat Mike Von Erich

3/4/85 Fort Worth
Rip Oliver beat Mike Von Erich

4/3/85 Lawton, OK
Bobby Eaton beat Mike Von Erich

5/17/85 Dallas (syndicated TV taping)
Midnight Express beat Mike Von Erich/Skip Young

6/8/85 Foreman, AR
Rip Oliver beat Mike Von Erich

8/6/85 Tel Aviv, Israel
Buddy Roberts beat Mike Von Erich

8/7/85 Tel Aviv, Israel
WCCW MIDDLE EAST CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT
Gino Hernandez beat Mike Von Erich

10/24/86 Dallas (syndicated TV taping)
Brian Adias beat Mike Von Erich
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The Avenger October 21st, 2022 20:19 GMT Print this post
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Quoted from: Eater of the Dead, October 21st, 2022 04:38  GMT
The criteria for something being considered a clean pin would be an interesting topic in itself. We all likely agree that grabbing a handful of trunks or having your feet on the ropes during the pin would not be a clean pin. But what about hitting your opponent with brass knuckles, and throwing the nucks out of the ring and then pinning your opponent? The pin itself is clean, but you cheated to get to that point. Would it depend on how many transitional moves or time has passed since the cheating incident? Interesting question...


Considering a built-in "heel factor", I would go with the actual pin being clean.
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Quoted from: BattleRoyal, October 21st, 2022 12:48  GMT
Mike losses

12/29/83 Corpus Christi
Terry Gordy/Buddy Roberts beat David Von Erich/Mike Von Erich

7/4/84 Fort Worth (Tarrant County Convention Center, att. 12,721)
Michael Hayes/Terry Gordy/Buddy Roberts beat Kevin Von Erich/Kerry Von Erich/Mike Von Erich in Badstreet match to win held-up Six-Man Tag titles (later held up again due to interference by Killer Khan)

9/3/84 Fort Worth (Tarrant County Convention Center, att. 9,000)
Gino Hernandez beat Mike Von Erich to win American Heavyweight title

9/12/84 Lawton, OK
Gino Hernandez beat Mike Von Erich

10/27/84 Dallas (Cotton Bowl, att. 12,000)
Chris Adams/Jake Roberts/Gino Hernandez beat Kerry Von Erich/Mike Von Erich/Bobby Fulton (sub for injured Kevin Von Erich) to win Six-Man Tag titles

12/16/84 San Antonio
Chris Adams/Gino Hernandez/Jake Roberts beat Kevin Von Erich/Kerry Von Erich/Mike Von Erich

2/16/85 Seagoville
Rip Oliver beat Mike Von Erich

3/4/85 Fort Worth
Rip Oliver beat Mike Von Erich

4/3/85 Lawton, OK
Bobby Eaton beat Mike Von Erich

5/17/85 Dallas (syndicated TV taping)
Midnight Express beat Mike Von Erich/Skip Young

6/8/85 Foreman, AR
Rip Oliver beat Mike Von Erich

8/6/85 Tel Aviv, Israel
Buddy Roberts beat Mike Von Erich

8/7/85 Tel Aviv, Israel
WCCW MIDDLE EAST CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT
Gino Hernandez beat Mike Von Erich

10/24/86 Dallas (syndicated TV taping)
Brian Adias beat Mike Von Erich


Thanks BattleRoyal!
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You are most welcome The Avenger
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