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I was of the opinion that perhaps he was injured at this time, hence the quick elimination, however upon inspection of card results leading up to the Rumble, he was performing several time limit draws with Tito. This leads me to believe DiBiase was simply being de-pushed. Is this the case?
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December 27th, 2013 21:13 GMT |
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I guess he was kind of de-pushed, if being put in a tag team and getting the belts is a de-push, but I think it was just a spot for the match. Set up Flair going head to head with a babyface to start and almost getting eliminated right from the beginning without drawing number one. They definitely wanted to make the deck stacked against Flair to make his win epic, and having him come in to help Dibiase against Davey might have lessened that. I really doubt they even gave it much thought as I just did lol But Flair, so focused on the ring as he passes DiBiase that it doesn't even phase him, as he walks down the aisle is a memorable shot for me from the match.
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I've ALWAYS wondered about that moment.. I always wondered if there was any heat between Flair and Dibiase
Dibiase is lured from a territory to the WWF with a promise of a title reign and main event run against Hogan... barely, or never, materializes and after 6-9months is clearly in the midcard for the remainder of his career
Flair is given two title reigns in a year and goes over every competitor in the Rumble... except Dibiase.
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September 26th, 2014 04:12 GMT |
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Quoted from: TheBestThereNeverWillBe, September 26th, 2014 04:08 GMT
Dibiase is lured from a territory to the WWF with a promise of a title reign and main event run against Hogan... barely, or never, materializes and after 6-9months is clearly in the midcard for the remainder of his career
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I would not at all call DiBiase's run mid card. He was the top heel in WWF for a couple years having programs of his own, then 3 times held the WWF tag titles defeating 2 of the top teams in the business ever, then had a solid run as a manager.
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De-push? Is that when you stop driving you de-drive? When you are full is that de-eating? Waking up is de-sleeping?
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September 27th, 2014 02:35 GMT |
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I think the simple truth is they didn't want DiBiase and Flair in at the same time.
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They were on the same team at Survivor Series 1991, but i don't recall much interaction between the two..
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Quoted from: Dan Shocket's Ghost, September 26th, 2014 05:24 GMT
I would not at all call DiBiase's run mid card. He was the top heel in WWF for a couple years having programs of his own, then 3 times held the WWF tag titles defeating 2 of the top teams in the business ever, then had a solid run as a manager.
that might be overstating it a bit much..
he came into the WWWF in '79 as North American champion.. he spent '80-'86 clearly a main eventer for mid-south/UWF.. he comes back to WWF in '88, buys the World title from Andre and goes around the horn with Hogan losing in tag matches
Loses to Randy Savage in the WM tournament final after beating Duggen and Don Muraco (who was on the way out; beating him again later on SNME)
Headlines MSG three times against Savage in spring of '88 (losing in CO, DQ and a cage match blowoff)
Loses in a tag team main event of SummerSlam in the only ppv match Dibiase headlined..getting pinned clean by Hogan.
Continues wrestling squash matches on Tv syndication for the entirety of his WWF career, something that Hogan didn't do (and neither did Savage or Warrior when they were main eventing).
Only makes two MSG appearances between SummerSlam and Wrestlemania VI, feuding with Hercules for SIX MONTHS.....before finally beating him at Main Event in Feb. of '89
Beats Blue Blazer at SNME and awards himself the Million Dollar belt
Loses at Survivor Series, gets eliminated last at Rumble (by Big John Studd)
Fights to a double count-out against Brutus Beefcake at WMV
Beats Jimmy Snuka at SummerSlam '89, by countout...
Loses at SNME in his ONLY televised match against Hogan (a year and a half after their feud..)
Spends the entirety of April '89-April '90 in a MID-CARD feud with Jake Roberts.. loses cleanly by pinfall at MSG in April '89.. SIX MONTHS LATER makes his MSG return losing again to Jake Roberts via DQ and getting pinned cleanly again at the rematch a month later, before "regaining" his Million Dollar belt via countout (lol) at WMVI.
Follows that up with a pinfall loss to Boss Man at MSG in April of '90, doesn't make another MSG appearance until October when he begins his feud with Dusty Rhodes that continues until Royal Rumble..
Doesn't even appear at SummerSlam '90
Wins his team's match at Survivor Series, only to be pinned by Hogan in the Finale
Takes off a month or two for knee surgery in winter of '90 and returns to defeat Dusty & Dustin Rhodes on the UNDERCARD of Royal Rumble '90 setting up his feud with Virgil that will last the rest of the year
Loses via pinfall to Kerry Von Erich at MSG in march '90 and a week later loses to Virgil at Wrestlemania VII via countout
Wins via Danny Davis referee decision against Roddy Piper in a midcard match at MSG in probably Dibiase's greatest singles win in the WWF.. then has a double count-out with Bret Hart at SNME before losing to Virgil via pinfall at SummerSlam '91 (and losing the Million Dollar belt).. and is eliminated at Survivor Series that year
At Tuesday In Texas he teamed with Repo Man to defeat Virgil and Tito Santana..
Makes his MSG return four months later in a I-C title match against Bret Hart that goes to a draw after interference from Sherri in his last major singles match before his '92 tag team push that lasts until he becomes a manager years later...
i'd say he had a pretty good mid-card push in 1991 and a good tag team push in '92-'93, but i'd hardly say he was a main eventer in the WWF beyond Jan. '88-Aug. '88 as those were the only months he was actually main eventing ppv & msg cards during his WWF career, aside from a one-off Hogan title match at SNME in fall of '89.
His post-Savage feuds were with Hercules, Jake Roberts, Dusty Rhodes respectively, and his planned feud with Piper turned into a year long feud with Virgil instead (first, from Piper's motorcycle accident, later from Flair arriving in the company) and his major TV & PPV matches are mostly loses and his few wins are via countout, etc.
He was only a TOP heel in '88, and even then he played second fiddle to Andre.. he was a solid midcard talent after that and used accordingly (see pinfall loses to Von Erich in '91 and to Boss Man in '90)
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You left out his title match with Warrior on the Main Event. And even though he didn't wrestle at Summerslam 1990, his angle where he stole Sapphire was a pretty big storyline.
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yeah... main event stuff. lolz
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You're completely off the mark if you're basing match position on the card as what's considered "main event stuff" or not.
Hogan went on in the pre-intermission slot many times in the big arenas. Does that make him a "midcarder"?
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The main events with Hogan were held midcard so Hogan could leave early and catch room service at the hotel. They were still the advertised main events. At no point did i mention placement on the card. If u think an undercard match with another midcarder is the main event youre delusional. Dibiase stealing Sapphire was not the main event of Summerslam 90.
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Quoted from: TheBestThereNeverWillBe, October 10th, 2014 04:27 GMTAt no point did i mention placement on the card.
Yes, you did. On a few occasions:
Quoted from: TheBestThereNeverWillBe, September 30th, 2014 23:57 GMTSpends the entirety of April '89-April '90 in a MID-CARD feud with Jake Roberts
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Quoted from: TheBestThereNeverWillBe, September 30th, 2014 23:57 GMTreturns to defeat Dusty & Dustin Rhodes on the UNDERCARD of Royal Rumble '90
Quoted from: TheBestThereNeverWillBe, September 30th, 2014 23:57 GMT If u think an undercard match with another midcarder is the main event youre delusional.
I never said that. I was replying to your above "main event stuff. lol" comment that made no sense. Just because they aren't in the "main event" (in your eyes, this means the final match) doesn't mean it's not the selling point of the show.
Quoted from: TheBestThereNeverWillBe, September 30th, 2014 23:57 GMT Dibiase stealing Sapphire was not the main event of Summerslam 90.
Plus, that's an obviously petty example to use.
Quoted from: TheBestThereNeverWillBe, September 30th, 2014 23:57 GMT Wins via Danny Davis referee decision against Roddy Piper in a midcard match at MSG in probably Dibiase's greatest singles win in the WWF..
This is the real delusion. I'd like to know how you can possibly classify this as his "greatest singles win".
It was a show that was only seen by those with the MSG network. Probably a good 75% of the WWF's global audience at the time didn't see it. My mind boggles...
Oh, and by the way, that match closed the show that night so please explain how it's "midcard"? And before you say it - yes, Slaughter/Hogan was the headline match. But why do you still call it "midcard"? If Piper/DiBiase is a match between two any old "midcarders" then why not stick, say, IRS/Snuka in the final match?
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Jesus.
"main event", "midcard", and "undercard" refer to position on the roster, and has nothing to do with the order of matches on any given card. Saying he spent six months in a mid-card feud with Jake Roberts has nothing to do with the match going on first or last.
At no point did i refer to the "main event" being the last match. During most of the 80's a tag match often closed the show so they could have a long match last until curfew. I pointed out the times Ted DiBiase headlined cards, I never made mention of when in the card DiBiase's matches occured.
Dibiase's feud with Dusty Rhodes I labeled as UNDERCARD because it was not the main event of Royal Rumble '91, nor was it a co-main event like the title match was. If you want to accuse me of saying that the Dibiase/Virgil vs Dusty/Dustin match was undercard because of it's placement on the card then explain to me why it was the second to last match... it was even AFTER the WWF title match.
Granted, since it was a feud match (even if it was a blowoff match, and saw Dusty & Dustin jobbing on the way out) i guess it should be considered midcard, as should be the Boss Man vs Barbarian match.. whereas the Mountie vs Koko was clearly a undercard squash match. That leaves the Rockers/Orient Express tag match. If you consider that match also midcard, then I think it's safe to say that the Dibiase tag match was lower midcard at best.
I didn't raise the petty example of Dibiase stealing Sapphire at SummerSlam '90 as being main event worthy, that was mentioned by Hawkeye as being a "pretty important storyline" While true, having an angle doesn't make a feud "main event" level.
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