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While watching some matches over the past week from the 70's I noticed a number of guys just above the prelim level winning by submission.
Butcher Vachon & Jan Nelson winning with the Hangman's Hold. Dewey Robertston winning with the bow & arrow.
Golden Terror with the Stomach Claw.
Am I missing anyone?
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Akbar wasn't just above prelim. He was an upper midcarder who actually was pushed when he came into the territory.
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I remember Butcher Vachon used a kind of back breaker in 75 he would turn the guy around so they were back to back he would grabe the guys chin under his neck and lean forward so the opponent was pff his feet .
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I have a question. Did Dean Ho have a submission hold ? Just wondering since when he wrestled in Hawaii he used a full nelson has his submission hold.
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Quoted from: miss_the_old_days, January 11th, 2015 20:12 GMTI remember Butcher Vachon used a kind of back breaker in 75 he would turn the guy around so they were back to back he would grabe the guys chin under his neck and lean forward so the opponent was pff his feet .
That is the Hangman hold.
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Quoted from: glaz, January 11th, 2015 18:09 GMTAkbar wasn't just above prelim. He was an upper midcarder who actually was pushed when he came into the territory.
So how is that different from Butcher Vachon and Golden Terror?
They both had a manager and received an initial push
Akbar came in in March 1976 and by June he was losing clean to Putski, Strongbow and Brazil all over the territory.
Putski flattened him at MSG in August in under 3 minutes
And he never got a title match with Bruno in a major market
So if you include guys like Vachon, Akbar certainly belongs on the list as well
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matches around the horn with Putski, Strongbow and Brazil kinda make him higher than just above prelim imo.. it doesn't matter whether he won or not. although it does look like his stock declined rather quickly.
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So Vachon, who went over Zbyszko and Dean Ho and got shots against Bruno is a prelim guy but Akbar is not?
Akbar's biggest wins were against Kevin Sullivan and Louis Cerdan
No title shots.
Vachon did the loop with Strongbow, Putski, Denucci and Andre
And faced Bruno
So I'm a bit confused as to what the criteria is as far as prelim goes
But it seems Butcher is slightly in the lead
Though neither guy set the world on fire
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This message was edited by luvwwwwfonly on January 11th, 2015 23:43 GMT
Quoted from: godzillajoe2k12, January 11th, 2015 23:30 GMTSo Vachon, who went over Zbyszko and Dean Ho and got shots against Bruno is a prelim guy but Akbar is not?
Akbar's biggest wins were against Kevin Sullivan and Louis Cerdan
No title shots.
Vachon did the loop with Strongbow, Putski, Denucci and Andre
And faced Bruno
So I'm a bit confused as to what the criteria is as far as prelim goes
But it seems Butcher is slightly in the lead
Though neither guy set the world on fire
There has always been talk that the broken neck sidetracked a planned Akbar challenge to Bruno.
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Quoted from: Papa Shango Voodoo, January 11th, 2015 19:41 GMTRene Goulet - Clawhold
Goulet called his version of the claw "Le Scorpion".
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This message was edited by edbeta1 on January 14th, 2015 01:37 GMT
This is my take on this.....Vince McMahon, always being in need of the "next challenger" for the title, would bring in a leading heel from another territory, and put him with a manager for the next 3 wks. of TV..........Maybe sometimes during this interval, another more desirable heel would become available, and he would come in and get the "big push", while the first guy would become like a "secondary challenger"...This would be like Scandor Akbar, or Paul Vachon, or Willie "Wolfman" Farkas, etc., etc... This may have happened quite often, as a top challenger would sometimes be in the area for several taping sessions before being announced as the next opponent for MSG, giving Vince some time to maybe pick and choose, or at least have a "back up" in case something went wrong............As an example, I saw Sammartino pin Tony "Black Demon" Nero at Sunnyside Garden on Saturday afternoon, December 26, 1970.....Obviously, this match would never have occurred in a major arena, but was just right for the smaller Sunnyside audience.....And in hindsight, I guess it was Bruno's last successful title defense in NYC, as he would lose the belt to Koloff in January.....I also recall Bruno working with Bobby Davis' The Beast in many small arenas, but not the Garden.........Ditto Beautiful Bobby Harmon with The Grand Wizard, who did not get a big title push, but was accompanied by a manager...........Another interesting scenario was when John Tolos came in for just one match at MSG against Sammartino in the early 70s....He appeared on one set of TV tapings if memory serves, and did not work anywhere else in the territory ..And that match was one of the best main events I ever saw, and I was at every show from July 1967 through June 1985......Maybe Vince owed somebody in California a favor?........The one other great match that stands out was Bruno against Don Leo Jonathan...It was a spectacular exchange of holds that went back and forth at lightnng-like speed, very different from your standard Capitol match of that era.........
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