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Since the ICW was an outlaw out of the wrestling mainstream, did the Mcmahons know who Randy Savage was in 1980-81? If they contacted him at that time and asked him to come in under the Grand Wizard to challenge Backlund, do you think he would have?
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October 01st, 2013 22:48 GMT |
 
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I don't see why they wouldn't have known about him and if he thought he waa going to make money - I am sure he would have
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Vince knew exactly who everyone was in wrestling. He was planning his takeover of wrestling for several years. He knew who he wanted and when he wanted them. At that time I'm sure he saw Savage as a future superstar that needed a little more seasoning.
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Yes of course they knew.
On another point, it always makes me laugh when I see ICW referred to as an "Outlaw " group. For one thing the term "outlaw" group at the time we were running generally referred to a group whose workers had little or no experience and little or no big time experience: far from the case with ICW.
I attended a Tennessee Legends Wrestling Reunion recently, and someone asked Ronnie ((Garvin) if working "opposition" hurt him getting booked elsewhere. Ronnie's reply was and I'm paraphrasing "Hell we weren't the opposition, look who we had working in our group, the other guys, they were the opposition".
Take care,
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| razor07 |
October 10th, 2013 00:47 GMT |
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The term "outlaw" cracks me up - so you were illegal and breaking the rules if you were not in the NWA? They could do anything to stop the outlaw group?
So if this the case, how could any NWA group for one second complain when Vince decided the NWA was the opposition and an outlaw group?
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| ronmark |
October 12th, 2013 01:40 GMT |
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Lanny was asked a few years ago about ICW being an "outlaw" promotion. He replied,"An outlaw is someone who makes their living by stealing. We never stole anything. In the business world, it's called competition."
I'm paraphrasing, but it was something like that.
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| razor07 |
October 12th, 2013 02:47 GMT |
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I completely agree -- I have always hated that term and philosophy and the more I have learned about the thinking of many NWA promoters, it makes sense they went out of business.
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I am still amazed that the NWA lasted as long as it did.
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Any territory owner and/or promoter knew who was making noise in the other territories. So did the boys.
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I didn't think any of the wrestlers existed before they came to the Cartoon Net. 
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ICW was good competiton for the NWA late '70's=early '80's. They were not an "outlaw" group.
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This message was edited by wrestlingdoc on October 21st, 2013 22:55 GMT
Just want to comment on all of this outlaw discussion.
An outlaw promotion was any independent group that ran against the established NWA group.
It does not mean that the independent promoter was doing something "illegal" or the independent wrestlers were "stealing" to make a living as some suggested on this thread.
It does mean however that ICW fulfills the criteria to be called an outlaw group.
In Jim Wilson's book he states: "The NWA regarded the Poffos as outlaws". (Page 301).
In Jerry Jarrett's book the ICW is referred to as the "last outlaws". (Page 201).
In his book, Jerry Lawler refers to the Poffos running "an outlaw promotion". (Page 299).
Heck even the WWE acknowledges this with a story they did on Savage and Lawler (http://www.wwe.com/classics/randy-savage-jerry-lawler-memphis-rivalry-26094846/ page-2)
"Savage and his crew — which included a dangerous shooter and former Olympic wrestler by the name of Bob Roop —didn’t just threaten Lawler on local television shows. The outlaw group sometimes came to arenas where “The King” was running events and harassed his wrestlers in the parking lot."
Hmmm...if Jarrett and Lawler consider them outlaws...
Some members here may not appreciate the term, but it is what it is.
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| razor07 |
October 22nd, 2013 03:35 GMT |
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This message was edited by razor07 on October 22nd, 2013 03:51 GMT
They can call it what they want. The NWA promoters did not have the right to blackball someone for trying to make a living, if the blackball thing happened at all.
The NWA did not own pro wrestling or have the right to monopolize it. If someone decided to run competition against an established NWA territory then that was their right.
Matter of fact, the NWA may have been doing something illegal Section 2 of the anti trust laws prohibits monopolies, or attempts and conspiracies to monopolize.
Yet these same guys cried foul when Vince came in and decided the NWA was the outlaw promotion, I call that karma.
Too bad Vince then went ahead and broke the same law. Like I said, I am not shocked at all that the NWA fell so easily.
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None of us from ICW were "blackballed" by any NWA promotions; in fact most of us went back to work for NWA promotions when we decided to leave ICW..
Take care,
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| RJC |
October 25th, 2013 09:37 GMT |
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How could anyone not notice the guy?
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