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February 23rd, 2021 08:04 GMT |
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Post: #1006792 PT: #16/106
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McMahon loaded this card. No jobber matches.
Wasn't taking any chances of poor turnout with Backlund on top.
Backlund wrote in his book that a card needed to build momentum.
Not on this night. All top flight matches
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Post: #1006916 PT: #17/106
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Wonder if Vince Sr regretted the decision to put Backlund on top at that time. Superstar was drawing huge and still at the top of his game.
Leave it another 6 months to a year before the title change?
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Post: #1006918 PT: #18/106
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Vince made a plan in late 1976 and was not going to deviate from that plan
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February 25th, 2021 15:28 GMT |
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Post: #1006934 PT: #19/106
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Quoted from: louie.d, February 20th, 2021 23:13 GMTQuoted from: Eater of the Dead, February 20th, 2021 22:41 GMTQuoted from: louie.d, February 20th, 2021 22:36 GMTI love pro wrestling — and I must acknowledge that even back in the day I ‘knew’ it was a work — all that being said — the key to making ‘kayfabe’ work was being able to suspend belief!! Talk about stretching belief!!! All style and little substance, flabby Rhodes pinning Tanaka!! In a non-work, Tanaka would pulverize Rhodes in a NY minute while eating a slice of Lombardi’s pizza with one hand. Tanaka in a real fight is in the same super rare league as Race and Haku/Meng — and they would be no better than even money with Tanaka. Tanaka was known among his peers to have a pleasant disposition but one not to mess with. Jeez — I know it was all a work for box office — but I just want to gag seeing Rhodes beat Tanaka!! Oh brother!!
But back then was it known among the fans who was legit tough and who wasn't?
I think that is a multi level answer.
Strictly from "in ring" performance and the assured way they carried themselves, you could clearly see who was legit tough, who had elite skills, who had both.
There were also enough "in the know" who passed on knowledge.
In the case of Tanaka. he was built like a tank, strong as an ox, had legit martial arts skills, and anyone more than a casual fan eventually learned he was a top shelf amateur boxer in the military. You could see his legit skill and toughness.
I also had the good fortune of having a friend who did articles for newsletters and got to know the wrestlers on a personal level -- and who would talk about the respect Tanaka got for his legit toughness.
And then you have someone like Rhodes -- I know it was a business and the name of the game was to put fannies in the seats -- and Rhodes could do that.
Nevertheless, I always felt that the best way to make it work, kayfabe, was to have your top talent be those who you could really envision being the toughest around -- physical ability and skills to match. That is why champs like Thesz, Rogers, Bruno, Kiniski, Brisco, Funk Jr,, Race, Koloff, Gagne (early - not the old man who owned the company and kept the title far to long), Bockwinkle, and Backlund worked -- you really could believe they were the best. Ditto for the elite that my not have been champ of the big three - Johnny Valentine, Hodge, Bill Watts, Don Leo, Kowalski, Monsoon, BJ Mulligan, Wahoo, Brazil and of course Tanaka for example.
Those whose best assets were mic skills and/or gimmicky persona -- like Rhodes -- IMHO made it harder to suspend belief -- i.e., kayfabe
That is why I always cringe when I see results like Tanaka losing to Rhodes -- anyway -- that is the way this old brain sees things!!
I think Louie, and it seems a lot of the NYC area fans here, had a lot more insight into the business than the average fan. I use average, not casual, because I was an avid 13 year old fan who could not discern who was “legit” or not. In reading the magazines of the time, I could not fathom how Harley Race was even a wrestler.
Tanaka looked like a tank...even on his Hawaii 5-0 appearance. Rhodes was half a foot taller and moved well in this era. He had gone toe to toe with SSBG. The win isn’t a big leap of faith for us that were in the dark.
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February 25th, 2021 18:31 GMT |
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Post: #1006942 PT: #20/106
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I lived outside the WWWF territory when this title change happened but the Apter magazines were hyping Backlund big time as the next WWWF champion very shortly after Graham won the title from Sammartino. It's almost like they had inside knowledge he would win the title from Graham. Did they know ? It sure seems that way.
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February 25th, 2021 20:36 GMT |
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Post: #1006947 PT: #22/106
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I think SD Jones would have been an up & comer. He & Altas seemed legit tag contenders in 80/81.
Maybe 20 minutes with the on the decline Baron in a sold out venue was a measuring stick?
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Post: #1006949 PT: #23/106
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Perhaps... I wonder how many times the good Baron and SD Jones faced each other throughout the years? :-)
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Post: #1006958 PT: #24/106
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Baron Mikel Scicluna vs. SD Jones happened a lot from the mid 70s until the early 80s.
SD Jones and Tony Atlas were going to get the WWF Tag Team titles in 1981 but Tony went to CA to have a woman dance on his face.
Here is SD's first match against the Baron
Philadelphia, PA - Arena - July 13, 1976
SD Jones/Bobo Brazil defeated Johnny Rodz/Baron Mikel Scicluna by count-out
and his last
White Oak, PA - Penn State Gym - June 25, 1983 (1,000+)
SD Jones pinned Baron Mikel Scicluna at 15:30
7 years and probably hundreds of matches
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Post: #1006959 PT: #25/106
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Think Atlas and Jones were supposed to beat the Moondogs in summer 1981. Martel and Garea got that run instead due to Tony's decision.
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February 26th, 2021 08:54 GMT |
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Post: #1006970 PT: #27/106
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Jones vs Scicluna could have gone either way , makes it intriguing. On this night it went to a draw.
Jones was step above jobber. He would beat Rodz , Estrada ect. Scicluna was a mid card heel in 78.
Side note
Jones defeated Blackwell in MSG by Dq in 78.
Ted Adams had the proper credentials to be the number 1 contender for the Junior Heavyweight Title match. He was under 220 lbs. LOL.
Still it was a title match.
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Post: #1006983 PT: #28/106
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Tony talks about in his book his choice to leave WWF to have a woman dance on his face and abandon SD and a tag team title run
Think Patterson or McMahon interviewed SD after a match in late 1980 or early 1981 when they were pushing him
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Post: #1006991 PT: #29/106
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Hmmmmm....a run with the belts, or a woman dancing on my face..., it is a tough decision.....
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Post: #1006998 PT: #30/106
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VIncent J McMahon told Tony in August 1981 when he returned from CA "Tony, I can find a rat here to dance on your face!"
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