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I remember Nash/Diesel being interviewed before the match. He said he had been walking around the streets of NYC earlier and the local fans were so supportive about that night's match with Backlund. He said they were slapping him on the back and telling him 'go Diesel! Do the job!!'. 
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Quoted from: Spoiler, February 14th, 2024 18:47 GMTHow did the Ultimate Warriors style compared to Diesels ?
Everything 10X better.
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Quoted from: Pouchkine, February 14th, 2024 15:06 GMTQuoted from: Bret Linden, February 13th, 2024 19:11 GMTUgh. This whole botch is almost as bad as the post Monday Night War "invasion" angle.
First off, Kevin Nash is even worse than Hulk Hogan when it comes to someone being pushed FAR past their abilities. Both WWF and WCW pushed this guy to the moon and I never saw any value in him whatsoever.
Second, a World title switch not on TV? In the 90's? That's insanity.
Thirdly, I thought Backlund in 94 was a great character. Someone who is highly skilled yet bitter and angry and hellbent on revenge and redemption. If the WWF knew how to book at this time they'd have seen what a hit they had on their hands and ran with it. But, instead, they put their belt on a no talent ass clown, and threw away this great character to make him a comedy character. Shameful. No wonder why the business fell on its ass around this time.
Hogan and Nash shouldn't be compared at all. Hogan had a ton of charisma, was full of energy, great promos, was limited in the ring but could do enough to be believable and put on good to great matches. Fans loved him.
Nash was almost devoid of charisma, was incredibly boring, average at best on promos, was limited in the ring not as believable because of a lack of fire in him and put on mostly mediocre matches. Fans were never really invested in his character.
He was at best a cheap 2nd rate copy of Sid. (If only Sid ever got his act together long enough...)
While many here liked Yokozuna it still was a long Heel Reign that WWF fans were not accustomed to and wasn't exactly really exciting, then having soon after the even worst Diesel long boring reign was perfect receipt for awful numbers all around.
I'd have kept the belt on Bret for a long reign. Probably start the feud with Michaels a bit earlier and have it being a much longer feud.
Would have loved to see Warrior come back around that time and having Vader come in a bit earlier as well.
I respectfully have to disagree with you about Nash. I'm not at all of fan of Nash's ring work or his backstage politicing or bad attitude, but even I have to admit that Nash was chrismatic and had good promo skills; every time I see a Nash promo I find myself starting to like him just a little bit.
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This message was edited by Pouchkine on February 16th, 2024 17:59 GMT
I meant specifically during his run as Diesel in the WWF. He was very bland and boring to me.
He was more interesting in WCW in terms of promos but I never really cared for him either way.
I think he once complained that he couldn't really be himself during his Diesel run and that he was forced to do "generic" promos.
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February 17th, 2024 22:09 GMT |
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The Roseanne theme? Yeah.
I might be in the minority but I liked the truck-engine-and-horn entrance. It was ominous-sounding and didn't need to be anything else.
Nash was charismatic but not always in a wrestling sense, if that makes any sense at all. Like I said, he came off as too laid-back as a babyface. I know that was the thing in the '90s to be "cool," indifferent, and above-it-all but he sometimes came off as not just plain not caring about his upcoming match or program, so why should we, the audience care?
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Still he was part of that legendary SummerSlam Main Event in 1995.
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Quoted from: PeteF3, February 17th, 2024 22:09 GMTThe Roseanne theme? Yeah.
I might be in the minority but I liked the truck-engine-and-horn entrance. It was ominous-sounding and didn't need to be anything else.
Nash was charismatic but not always in a wrestling sense, if that makes any sense at all. Like I said, he came off as too laid-back as a babyface. I know that was the thing in the '90s to be "cool," indifferent, and above-it-all but he sometimes came off as not just plain not caring about his upcoming match or program, so why should we, the audience care?
Very good point in the last paragraph. He really did come off as not caring. Even though he had been with WCW a few years prior, after the IC title win, he got too much too soon. Within 8 months he got IC, tag team and HW titles. The might as well have had him win the 1994 Rumble based on the crowd reaction.
I think if we look back at the most memorable guys from 1995, I think Bret, Taker, Shawn, Razor are above him. Those guys were great at everything given their characters-matches, promos, anything extracurricular.
Ultimately it was a really bad time period for WWF and I get why they went with Diesel and I can't think of any of the other main guys being much better to catapult the new generation.
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Quoted from: jason1980s, February 19th, 2024 03:36 GMTQuoted from: PeteF3, February 17th, 2024 22:09 GMTThe Roseanne theme? Yeah.
I might be in the minority but I liked the truck-engine-and-horn entrance. It was ominous-sounding and didn't need to be anything else.
Nash was charismatic but not always in a wrestling sense, if that makes any sense at all. Like I said, he came off as too laid-back as a babyface. I know that was the thing in the '90s to be "cool," indifferent, and above-it-all but he sometimes came off as not just plain not caring about his upcoming match or program, so why should we, the audience care?
Very good point in the last paragraph. He really did come off as not caring. Even though he had been with WCW a few years prior, after the IC title win, he got too much too soon. Within 8 months he got IC, tag team and HW titles. The might as well have had him win the 1994 Rumble based on the crowd reaction.
I think if we look back at the most memorable guys from 1995, I think Bret, Taker, Shawn, Razor are above him. Those guys were great at everything given their characters-matches, promos, anything extracurricular. Ultimately it was a really bad time period for WWF and I get why they went with Diesel and I can't think of any of the other main guys being much better to catapult the new generation.
It was a bad time for wrestling period. The WWF with those guys was still doing better business than WCW with Hogan Flair and Savage.
Wrestling was seen as extremely uncool at the time and it took the Monday Night Wars and many hot angles to change that.
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